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#315113 - 04/28/08 03:36 AM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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I think that's well said. We should not be quick to call someone a liar. Many things that seem unlikely turn out to be true.
We should also be aware that sometimes the problem is that what is said is not exactly what is meant. We may have to get behind the literal meaning to the concept in the mind of the writer.
But when replying, we should be careful to explain what we mean clearly, and in a way that avoids confrontation as far as possible. A flat "you're wrong" is unlikely to convince the other side!
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#315115 - 04/28/08 04:31 AM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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I already said I don't have proof that he is lying, but he knows he's lying, which is all I need. I want to get him to stop lying because it's stupid and wrong. I really don't care if you believe me or not, since like I said, GrownPastMyYears knows what I'm talking about, so I already got my message across.
@Grown: And stop trying to play the victim here. It may be fooling people like Cider, but not me (and Virtua_Star, for that matter).
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#315116 - 04/28/08 04:33 AM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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I didn't even see Pete's post...
Pete, if you want me to stop, just tell me. If you guys really want to feel sorry for this kid and continue to believe him, then that's your loss.
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#315118 - 04/28/08 06:40 AM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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there not feeling sorry for me, and im not playing victim, im simply pointing out a FACT to you... you are constantly calling me a liar, and saying im wroung "with no substantial evidence" if i am wroung then explain it to me.
i can sit here and rant about all my problems but i dont. i have health issues, yes. my therapist said it her self "you've been through so much, you have a tendency to have really high, highs, and super low, lows."
which is completely true, one moment ill be happier than a bird flying through blue skies with a belly full of worms, then the other, ill feel like the worm inside it's belly...
she said "the most possible cause of this, is the fact that you've lost alot of close people to you in a short amount of time"
also true. its difficult losing 30 people within the course of what? about 2 1/2 years? and the first person i lost close to me was in 6th grade, then the next in 8th, (i skipped 7th) and all the rest there after were from 8th grade summer, to 10th grade start.
@cider, i appreciate you backing me up, or at least putting in a positive word, your right in the sense of the way i say things, which is kinda shocking, only other person thats realized that is ineligible.
@virtual, i dont understand what you mean by my point exactly, (i think thats what u said, its 3:30 here so... yea) i have that belief because many times, ive played around with myself (inna non sexual way)
and i am able to grab on the back of my shaft, quite a bit of extra skin, when i pull it tight, i do lose girth, which is why i have that belief...
ive seen quite a bit of guys who are like that as well, and ive done rigorous searching online to get an answer as to whos right and who's wroung. i've come up short on both ends...
the only theoretical way of proving this as fact or fiction, would be to get a group of uncercumsized people with extra foreskin, and have them get a tight circumsition, and measure the befores and afters...
problems with this study is that, guys that are uncut with extra foreskin, do not want to get cut... so its so difficult to make either accusation...
and i didnt type all of that to say that im right, and your wroung, i typed it to say, if im wroung im wroung, but for now,
Lets both agree to a truce, until the next topic arises...
Edited by GrownPastMyYears (04/28/08 06:40 AM)
Edit Reason: wow that was long?
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#315143 - 04/28/08 07:41 PM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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> and saying im wroung "with no substantial evidence" if i am wroung then explain it to me.
Like Virtual_Star said, everytime people try to tell you you're wrong, you don't listen and insist you're right.
For example, holding in your shit makes you absorb nutrients better? People were trying to tell you that's ridiculous, but "you knew better".
And I've said multiple times I have no substantial evidence, except that I can tell when someone is lying, and I know for a fact that you are. You may think that because other people don't see it that it's still ok to lie, but it's not (and believe me, there are other people who know you're lying, too).
> i can sit here and rant about all my problems but i dont
At least you won't until someone mentions it and you will happen to have the same problem, except worse than that person, right?
> she said "the most possible cause of this, is the fact that you've lost alot of close people to you in a short amount of time"
Another example of you lying. That's not what a therapist would say.
Oh, and 6th - 10th grade doesn't come out to be 2.5 years.
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#315145 - 04/28/08 07:45 PM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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Virtual_Star
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and saying im wroung "with no substantial evidence" if i am wroung then explain it to me.
Again, when I try to explain it to you, you either don't get it or don't want to believe it. I don't know how much simpler I can type it. You get defensive and I have no idea why. It's like you want to be right, even though I and other people will tell you otherwise. Even when it's 10 against one, you'll fight to the bitter end. And the sad thing is, the more you do that, the more idiotic you look. So tell me, how am I supposed to respect someone like that?
I'm not perfect or intelligent by any standard and I'm wrong a lot of times. I encourage everyone to correct me, so I can learn myself. But you don't see me fighting with everyone on this board nor type ridiculous posts that never make logical sense like the way you do. When I don't know something, I either say so or don't say anything at all. There's nothing wrong with being wrong, because no one can know everything. But there's no reason to get so defensive.
i can sit here and rant about all my problems but i dont. i have health issues, yes. my therapist said it her self "you've been through so much, you have a tendency to have really high, highs, and super low, lows."
which is completely true, one moment ill be happier than a bird flying through blue skies with a belly full of worms, then the other, ill feel like the worm inside it's belly...
she said "the most possible cause of this, is the fact that you've lost alot of close people to you in a short amount of time"
also true. its difficult losing 30 people within the course of what? about 2 1/2 years? and the first person i lost close to me was in 6th grade, then the next in 8th, (i skipped 7th) and all the rest there after were from 8th grade summer, to 10th grade start.
What's your point? I never understood why you felt you had to say that every now and then. I get it, you had people close to you die. That's terrible, but everyone has or will go through that. And almost everyone has problems. You're not the only one, so don't use that as a sob story to get people to feel sorry for you or whatever.
@virtual, i dont understand what you mean by my point exactly
And I'm not suprised. But I'm always in amazement on how oblivious a single person can be.
Man, I don't know. I tried to be patient with you and give you the benefit of a doubt to prove me wrong, but it's always the same with you, so I give up. I'm not being "mean" to you, I'm just being purely honest. I simple don't have any respect for you. I really tried, but I just can't do it. And how can I? You're the guy who believes if you hold in your crap, you'll gain weight. The same guy who said you won't catch an STD if you drink olive oil. The same guy who said you'll grow taller by stretching. The same guy who said uncut men have more girth because of their foreskin.
What's even more fustrating, you acutally sit there and ask why you're always getting picked on. I mean, come on, are you serious? You really need to ask? It's because you have the audacity to defend these claims when you're clearly wrong. Even when it's explained so easily that child could understand, you still wonder. I just have a hard time believing someone can be that unaware of his own actions.
You're just unbelieveable.
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#315147 - 04/28/08 08:30 PM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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You get defensive and I have no idea why. It's like you want to be right
Surely this is human nature? Most people, if flatly contradicted, get defensive. It then turns into a matter of winning or losing, and people don't want to lose.
It seems to me to be unrealistic to expect to win an argument by the other person agreeing he was wrong. It doesn't often happen. If you've said what you have to say, and the other person hasn't accepted it, if you have no new points to make, just leave it. Other people will make their own judgement.
It's like you want to be right, even though I and other people will tell you otherwise.
A lot of these arguments have been just flat assertions on both sides. After "'Tis!", "'Tisn't!", "'Tis!", "'Tisn't!" have been repeated several times it gets rather pointless. And worse, it deteriorates to name-calling, which Grown has avoided rather better than others.
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#315148 - 04/28/08 10:28 PM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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I have been told to let this fool continue his lying without me reminding him that he's doing it.
Fine.
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#315150 - 04/29/08 12:14 AM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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i skipped 7th grade, and i think i a\said at least consistently for 2.5 years... but i cant recall it... and this new keyboard is annoying me (my nephew spilt juice on it, and it fried the keyboard.)
Edited by GrownPastMyYears (04/29/08 01:13 AM)
Edit Reason: split juice on the OTHER keyboard..
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#315153 - 04/29/08 02:01 AM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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I'm not sure, but you two might be arguing about different things in the girth situation. It seems like you might be arguing that in general, people who are uncut do not have more girth. Though he might be arguing that the stretching caused by being circumcised prevents the skin from being closer together, thereby giving more girth (although probably less than a millimeter).
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#315156 - 04/29/08 02:32 AM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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Virtual_Star
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Surely this is human nature? Most people, if flatly contradicted, get defensive. It then turns into a matter of winning or losing, and people don't want to lose.
But when you're defending a crackpot theory that's already been known to be false, it's simply pointless in my view. I mean, if I went around here posting something like "Hey guys, wear two condoms! You get double the protection," I can guarantee someone's going to say something. And if I said continued to say, "yes, it's true" mindlessly, how would that make me look?
It would be fine if he kept all these ridiculous ideas to himself. If he wants to believe a banana is round, then fine. It just gets tiring when he posts these ideas (some of them even dangerous) around when some other gullible person is going to believe him. This just isn't the place for that and I can't stand it.
If you've said what you have to say, and the other person hasn't accepted it, if you have no new points to make, just leave it. Other people will make their own judgement.
That's fair enough. I'll try to take that into consideration, but please don't expect me to tolerate this guy more than I've already tried. I've made up my mind and it's staying that way.
A lot of these arguments have been just flat assertions on both sides. After "'Tis!", "'Tisn't!", "'Tis!", "'Tisn't!" have been repeated several times it gets rather pointless. And worse, it deteriorates to name-calling, which Grown has avoided rather better than others.
I beg to differ, but I'll leave it at that.
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#315157 - 04/29/08 04:04 AM
Re: Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?
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GrownPastMyYears
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you say that you'd rather him believe his own beliefs and keep it off the board... but thats such an ignorant way of living a/your life. if i walked around thinking everything my momma said was true, and anything anyone else said was false, than i'd be stupid if my mom was putting false ideas into my head... reference to Water Boy, and See No Evil...
ill say that 3 outta 4 things u guys say thats wroung that i said was right, and then u proved me wroung...
i take that into consideration, and i typically change my mind about that topic and i listen to what you say...
i do keep some of my beliefs, and just leave the arguement as is, like the girth arguement, as well as a few others, that i cannot recall cause its 1:00am and i am doing homework and my head hurts...
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