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#311031 - 03/13/08 10:07 AM It frustrates me and pisses me off
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I know this is probably a question for my doc but I'm not seeing her for a month yet so I'm gonna ask it here.

I was diagnosed some time ago as a high functioning autistic.

Is there like a medication or treatment for high functioning autistics or aspergers people that can enable them to interact with other human beings?

I'm tired of being isolated in my own little world. A2A is the only outlet I have. I never speak to people. I never remember their names. When they talk I kinda just go into my own world or get interested in the lines on the building or on the floor. For as much as I ramble on here, in real life I kinda feel... well isolated. I can't take being touched but by a select few... very few, maybe one. I can't talk but to very few... more than one but not much more. I'm sick of it. I have one friend and I don't see him much anymore.

I have tried and tried and tried to be outgoing and gregarious and I think I am but apparently I'm not. I know the technical procedures to approach people but I just can't do 'em or maybe its more like I don't have the interest to approach them even though I long for a human connection. (I think the latter is more it.) It takes me literally months to get to a point that I can talk to a person with relative ease. I'm tired of that. I'm tired of this way of living.

This is the only place I have any friends that I can talk to. That's not good. I know some of the people here mean far more to me than I do to them... and that's fine. It's the net. That's how it goes I know that and don't expect anything more. But damn, it hurts when you think your close to someone and they just drift away, like some people I used to talk to daily. I need real friends. I crave interaction with people but regardless how I try and how outgoing and friendly I think I am it apparently isn't enough. I just want to be able to talk to people. It's not that I put people off by what I talk about, like I probably do here. It's that I just can't talk... until I've known you for months.

I'm tired of this isolation. I just want to be able to speak to people. It frustrates me and pisses me off.
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#311032 - 03/13/08 10:38 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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We need to live closer, because I think we could be best friends.

I don't need to be entertained. Some people do need that and if you fail to entertain them, you're out!

I enjoy the quiet times, as well as the good laughs.

I don't know if there are medications to 'treat' this; there's not a pill for everything, but I know there are people around you can relate to and become friends with.

Maybe a support group in your area?

After you allow one or two friends or couples into your life and get comfortable with them, occasions will arise to allow others to be invited to participate in your planned activities and some other people you associate with may arise out of that.

People have many acquaintances, but only one or two friends.

I consider you my friend and I very much value what you type here.

I seriously doubt that that could possibly be much different in person.

So, they are out there! Find them and deal with what life has given you if nothing else works.

Now, my idiotic ramblings may not be YOUR answer, but I hope it didn't do any harm.
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#311033 - 03/13/08 11:01 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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I have to agree with a lot that Rad said.

Also I think of you as a good friend, I wish we lived closer because I think we could be best of friends to be honest. We share so much in common. I can even relate to this post you made, last few years I find myself isolating myself more and more. There are times here on the boards I have something to say about a particular topic and I absolutely say nothing because I simply feel isolated inside myself so why should anyone listen to my advice? I used to be very out going and had such a large group of Real Life friends, now I can pretty much only count two people and one of this is Adam.

It's hard and also frightening to get back out there and put yourself on the line. But for human connection it's something we must all do. I think the first step is accepting ourselves, which that in itself can be hard.

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#311035 - 03/13/08 11:37 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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I read this in WebMD:
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Symptoms in adulthood

Asperger's syndrome is a lifelong condition, although it tends to stabilize over time, and improvements are often seen. Adults usually obtain a better understanding of their own strengths and weaknesses. They are able to learn social skills and how to read others' social cues. Many people with Asperger's syndrome marry and have children.

Some traits that are typical of Asperger's syndrome, such as attention to detail and focused interests, can increase chances of university and career success. Many people with Asperger's seem to be fascinated with technology, and a common career choice is engineering. However, scientific careers are by no means the only areas where people with Asperger's excel. Indeed, many respected historical figures have had symptoms of Asperger's, including Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Albert Einstein, Marie Curie, and Thomas Jefferson
So, while I didn't read about treatment by medication, it looks like it can improve with your understanding it and dealing with it.

And, this from the Mayo Clinic seems to suggest that medication is not available, but some medications may treat specific behaviors associated with it.
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#311038 - 03/13/08 12:19 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: NtroducingMyself]
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>>>"It's hard and also frightening to get back out there and put yourself on the line."

But even when I was out there I was never out there. The only way I ever dated, let along got married, was because people pursued me. Those few found they could like me in spite of my standoffishness, distance and what appears to be coldness... though it's not.

I was never out there. I watched how everybody else was out there thats why I feel I can give advice to people. I saw what they would do that was successful and what they would do that was a failure. I would study people from afar but never become a part of them even on occasion when I could be the life of the party... as long as the party was small enough and I knew the people well enough. Maybe that's it, until I get to know people, I approach them as specimens of study and not as people. ...I don't know. Whatever it is I can't manage to talk to 'em.

I think maybe... it's just to hard to explain.
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>>>"I seriously doubt that that could possibly be much different in person."

I am. If I met you in person I doubt I could talk to you other than the simplest of pleasantries. I have a way of just disappearing. Beyond that my hesitation in interacting with people makes them think me a snob or unfriendly or hateful. Maybe I am. I just can't bring myself to interact with people.

There are probably only two people on this board that I could actually talk to in person. That's Chance and Eddie... maybe Lish. Even then I don't know. I mean that as no offense to anyone else, understand... so please, please, please don't take it that way. It's just that those two I've talked with more than most and it been enough to start to feel comfortable with 'em.

It's not shyness, it's something I can't really explain.

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Quit deleting your damn posts! ;\) It was a post of value because it lets me know that there are others out there who feel and go through the same shit as me. Never forget that letting some one know you know what there going through is sometimes worth more than all the advise they may gather from everybody else.

Advise is useful and often wise but saying I understand is comforting.
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#311039 - 03/13/08 12:48 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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If I met you in person I doubt I could talk to you other than the simplest of pleasantries....

There are probably only two people on this board that I could actually talk to in person. That's Chance and Eddie... maybe Lish....

.... It's just that those two I've talked with more than most and it been enough to start to feel comfortable with 'em.
Yup! But, see, that's right at first.
With people you accept and people who accept you, you start to feel comfortable and open up.

Now, I'm not suggesting anyone on the board to you. We all live too far away. (And, I'm only suggesting friendships, since you are happily married.) But, those support groups where you might find people with enough in common to form a friendship.

I'm hoping you have lots of relatives to commune with in the mean time?
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#311041 - 03/13/08 02:00 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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I as usual don't know what to say. \:\( But it's odd that your posts here are so intelligent and moving (how many times have I pm'd you about how beautiful your post was?), but in 'real life' you don't like speaking to people. It's kinda sad to think people in 'real life' miss out on that. *big hugs*
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#311044 - 03/13/08 03:35 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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This probably won't help much but I hear about factors that may contribute to autism on the news all the time. Some of them are things that have to do with diet and such ( i think one was gluten?), and the removal of them has apparently helped some people. Maybe you could look into something like that?

It's too bad that there are no medications available to treat autism...

Other than that I would just keep trying to connect with people. I hope things get better for you.
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#311046 - 03/13/08 04:17 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: DxLISHxISx_43]
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>>>"but in 'real life' you don't like speaking to people."

I do like speaking to people... very much. I just don't know how. It's like I just collapse inward when I'm around other people. There's nothing there. I have great conversation and beautiful arguments in my head but that's rather unfulfillling.

I think it's just to hard to explain what it's like, but I'll try. When I'm in a social situation I'm removed from myself. For instance when I dream (I can control my dreams) I just remove my mental self from the action and watch what is happening from afar, even though the mental image of myself may still be in the dream. That's what I do with strangers. My mental self is removed from the situation sitting back watching, sizing up, inferring, studying everything. Not just the person, and say how their sitting there, but the room they're in, the way the drapes hang on the rod, the way the vacuum sweeper left a pattern in the rug, the folds in what they're wearing. That shit works fine in my dreams, it makes them very vivid and seems to give me complete control over them but in real life it makes me distant and seemingly cold.

Other than on the net there are only three people I can think of that I can have a normal conversation with... well maybe not normal but not strained.

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>>>"I'm hoping you have lots of relatives to commune with in the mean time?"

As for having family no I don't. There all dead but my wife and mom. The few that remain well... you know the old saying, "The closer the kin, the deeper it goes in."

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>>>Some of them are things that have to do with diet and such ( i think one was gluten?), and the removal of them has apparently helped some people. Maybe you could look into something like that?

I'm going off to search it now.


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#311048 - 03/13/08 06:26 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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Hi Scotty,

I know we haven't talked for a long time, but I just want you to know that I care about how you're doing. Although I'm not a high-functioning autistic, there are definitely times in my life as a bipolar person, where I feel very disconnected from the world. Even now I have maybe 2 friends IRL that I could really count on. So maybe I shouldn't be giving advice...but what I really want to say is that it's OKAY to be awkward, it's okay to feel like a dunce in a conversation (believe me, I always say the wrong thing IRL). If people aren't willing to get to know you because of your awkward/"cold" mannerisms, they really aren't worth it.

One of your problems is most likely related to where you live, and you might feel like the kind of people that surround you don't really match the way you are for real. And the other thing is, there are ways to get to know people without talking. I think exercising with someone is one of the best ways, - maybe practicing martial arts in a class. You could be exercising with the people for months before you have to actually talk to them, and then you will have something to talk about. Going to university is a great way to meet people too.


Agh...what do I know? I can't possibly know what it's like to be you, but I seriously wish I could help. From all the documentaries I've watched and articles I've read, there is really nothing that can improve your functioning except behavior modification - and most of those therapies have been developed for people with autism that could only dream of reaching your level of normalcy.

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PS: You don't put anyone off by what you say on here, :-)
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#311049 - 03/13/08 06:51 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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What about music? I mean, I know its not an expensive drug or anything, but a great party beat or a song that really gets you pumped has been proven to make people wanna be more sociable and get out, get moving.


I read a kind of funny blog post on it one day... *searches*
http://emptyverse.org/Lyric.html
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#311050 - 03/13/08 07:53 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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I know this sounds rather simplistic, but how about a bowling league?

A summer baseball/softball league?

Darts at the local pub?
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#311055 - 03/13/08 10:36 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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i know. i thought it sounded dumb .....
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#311070 - 03/14/08 09:17 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: albeitmyself]
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>>>"... you might feel like the kind of people that surround you don't really match the way you are for real."

Yeah, I'm sure that's major limiting factor for me. Everybody around here are like Hank, Peggy or Bobby Hill. They may be funny on T.V. but in real life it gets old quick.

>>>"...maybe practicing martial arts in a class. You could be exercising with the people for months before you have to actually talk to them, and then you will have something to talk about."

I hadn't thought about that. That might be a good idea. I don't know how well speaking to people would go but it might be worth a try.

For some reason that brought to mind when I was a kid all my step-sisters friends use to ask her if I was retarded. I guess because back then I used to rock back and forth pretty bad... don't do that so much anymore... and wouldn't make eye contact or hardly speak. I always got sent along with her to supposedly keep her in line, I guess. Hell she was two or three years older than me, I don't know what my bitch step-mother thought I was gonna do.

Don't ever do that to your kids.

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I have read that music with certain rhythms produces a better rest and can aid in healing. Also, that there is some music that you can play for your aged pets with arthritis that promotes blood flow and works as pain management. Don't know how it works but there seems to be something to it.

I never thought about music for dealing with social situations, it does help with depression, I know.

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Tried it some time ago. I was on a dart league. I was always kinda on the outside. I could never bring myself to talk anyone but the one person I already knew who was and still is my best friend.

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Doesn't matter how it sounds, as long as it's supportive.
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#312578 - 03/28/08 10:18 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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wish i could be there for you, buddy. i am not sure i understand how you can think so well, and be so compassionate and articulate in your writing, yet do not do the same in person.... where's the missing link?
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#312580 - 03/28/08 10:24 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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I cant tell ya jack shit man, wish I could, and ill be able to by monday.
My cousin is autistic, but I only talk to his dad on weekends. Only time I can get a hold of him. Hes in San Diego, but as my uncles got the dough, hes got the best of care you can get, all the advantages. Ill hit him up and see if I can find out anything about meds and what not.
I Know some shit is available because while he is not highly functioning, he was able to go toa special school and because of just that school, he has a license.
Now I wouldnt want to be a passenger in that car, but he is legal to drive.
Ill hit him up over the weekend and see if I can find out anything about it for you, let ya know moday.
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#312581 - 03/28/08 10:28 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: Rad]
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have to agree with ya Rad, but in my case i have to be the entertainment, not the one entertained.
There are several people here I wish I lived closer to and could hang out once ina while with, your one of em, I think you disagree with me enough to not be a push over and bore me with always picking my side, I know scottys that way too, plus me and him got some of the same ideas on violence, Eddie, Roc, SDP, Inteligible, even Helms, Bobbo I could definatly go for a camp trip with him and a bag, alot of people here I wish I knew in real life instead of jstu the net. and Just because I left off anyones names doesnt mean I dont include you in that list.
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#312582 - 03/28/08 10:32 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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" I always got sent along with her to supposedly keep her in line, I guess. Hell she was two or three years older than me, I don't know what my bitch step-mother thought I was gonna do."

I do that now, with my two oldest boys.
THe 17 year old is the responsible one, I send him to keep the younger 15 year old in line and not make some of the choices hes made in the past, but I send the 15 year old with the 17 to keep him safe.
Hes sorta small, and a comedian, not a fighter, the younger is bigger (shit hes bigger than I am!) and will fight, he protects his little big brother.
If the two are together i worry so much less than if either one is alone.
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#312587 - 03/28/08 11:16 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: albeitmyself]
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I dont have your problems or scottys and out side of Julie, I have only 3 friends I know I can count on.
I rank people as friends only when I can count on em.
other than that they are people I know, and some I get along with,not friends, friends to me are special. I have 3.
Im highly outgoing, meet new people all the time, Im the center of attention no matter where I go. People love me, Julies always pissed because girls hit on me and try to hang on me. I have no problems meeting people, its giving a shit about them, or trusting them.
those 3 and Julie I trust with my life, with the lives of my children. Having few friends is not a curse, at least not to me. It just shows me who I can count on and who can count on me.
There is several on this site that I think could be friends, but it is the net, no real way to know with so much distance between us, no real challenges to face, no real way to see th real person instead of just what they present on the web.
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#312593 - 03/28/08 12:35 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: Grvtykllr]
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" I always got sent along with her to supposedly keep her in line, I guess."

I do that now, with my two oldest boys.

Well, she (my step-sister) was a mega slut. I got sent along to try and keep her from getting pregnant before she got out of high school. She didn't get pregnant but my presence didn't keep her from spreading like warm peanut butter.

...it just scarred me.
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#312606 - 03/28/08 03:59 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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Thats a fucked up thing, I could of fucked girls when they had little tag along brothers and I was in high school, but I didnt, what sort of asshole bastard would fuck a girl with her brother there? Doesnt matter if he can see or not, he knows whats going on. and what sort of sister would gofor that?
Thats a fucked up child hood scotty, at least your old enough now to know it had nothing to do with you, wasnt your fault or anything you created, all that sorta facts.
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#312609 - 03/28/08 04:43 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: Grvtykllr]
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Step, step, step.... step sister. I don't want anybody thinking the whore is related to me.

She's married to some multi-millionaire now, he named his 120' yacht after her. They spend most of their time cursing the world.

She's come a long was from getting caught bending over the pulpit for the baptist preacher... that had just married her to her ex-husband.
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#312611 - 03/28/08 05:02 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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your rihgt step step STEP! however I have a step sister, and I have step kids, it just never enters my mind that they are step, family is family. I suppose im one of the rare finds in that way of thinking.
One step kid moved in with us recently, his dad tossed him on his ass, now that hes dadless, I just sorta assumed the role, out at fucking 1 am towing his car back after it broke down, giving him gas money, all that shit, its odd to have a new son thats already 18.
Even got me to work on that fucking chevy cav he has! put him on our insurance, added him to our cell phone plan, all that shit. Hes just a step officially I guess, its just not how I think of him. I dunno, I dont differentiate between blood and step, just how i am.
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#312781 - 03/31/08 02:47 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: Grvtykllr]
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I'm the same way. I have a step sister and brother. For the past 15 years we have always introduced each other as sister/brother.
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#312809 - 03/31/08 10:38 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: Grvtykllr]
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your rihgt step step STEP! however I have a step sister, and I have step kids, it just never enters my mind that they are step, family is family. I

not too many know my family is actually blended too. i don’t have step siblings but their all half siblings so i guess it's a bet different. but for my older brother my dad isn't his dad but he calls him dad and is his dad....he adopted ryan when he married my mom. the twins are dad's and mom to them would be step daughters but she thinks of them as hers and Sara (and the bitch too) call her mom. confused yet? lol

woman has boy, woman meets man at college, man has twin girls. woman and man marry and out comes me! LMAO

we introduced as mom , dad, sons, daughters. me.. i;m always introduced like, my baby, our baby, my little bro or my baby bro. they always got to add that little or baby ti the introduction ...grrrrr
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#312856 - 04/01/08 03:29 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: CR125]
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#312867 - 04/01/08 10:22 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: Ineligible]
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You all come from very different circumstances than I. My step-mother and step-sister hated me and I hated them and dad hated the situation praying everyday that he would just die. When I was 19 he did.

Why people who can't stand each other stay together is beyond me. If your that unhappy get the fuck out life is to short.
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#312961 - 04/01/08 07:04 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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That's a terrible, horrible way to grow up. \:\(

My parents were both there and are indeed still alive and reasonably happily together, but they only had children because they felt it was expected, and shouldn't have.

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#313006 - 04/02/08 09:16 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: Ineligible]
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Well I lived with mom all but weekends and summer, so it wasn't that bad. I did however hate the summers. I liked my dad and loved him but dreaded going to see him because of them.

I got a lot of practice at hate and anger, even when I was very little, which is why I often say that I'm more comfortable with those emotions than with happiness or joy.

Why some people have kids is beyond me. I was an accident and accidents happen but damn... I don't know I just think parents have to make a choice when new families come in to play. Choose the new wife or the kid but don't try to force 'em to get along or pretend that we're all one big happy family. Despite what people like to think sometimes we have to choose and sometimes it's a shit choice. Sometimes it's the kid or my life and the things I want out of it. Sometimes we can't have it all. Sometimes we have to leave somebody behind. Sometimes trying your best isn't enough. Sometimes pain is better than suffering.

Sometimes I feel like things would have been better in the long run if dad had just gone on with his life, with his new wife and step-daughter and left me out of it. I didn't want to be a part of them or their ways or have anything to do with them. I was from a different culture they didn't understand and thought was a trash culture anyway, besides being weird and introverted, and we completely failed to communicate and quickly stopped trying. Maybe dad could have found happiness if he would have just left me behind, which mom gave him that option, rather than forcing us all into misery for the sake of what the world would think.

I hated those people, his new family, and I still do, I guess. I just always wonder if things could have been happier and maybe I wouldn't suffer from depression now if he had just left me.

...but then I would have missed the good times he and I had together and I loved those times.

I don't know it's depressing and I don't like to think about it. A tear at the office... oh well blame it on the shitty ventilation I guess.
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#313011 - 04/02/08 10:04 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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 Originally Posted By: OldFolks
...Sometimes we can't have it all. Sometimes we have to leave somebody behind. Sometimes trying your best isn't enough. Sometimes pain is better than suffering.

...I didn't want to be a part of them or their ways or have anything to do with them. I was from a different culture they didn't understand and thought was a trash culture anyway, besides being weird and introverted, and we completely failed to communicate and quickly stopped trying.

...but then I would have missed the good times he and I had together and I loved those times.



your words are so powerful, scotty. i am speechless to them. i just hope your mom has been/is still there for you and has more than filled the void in your heart. no one ever has it all. you could have had a seemingly "normal" family, but not even begin to love, let alone like, your father and have the few good memories that you still have of him to cherish. consider yourself lucky for those alone.

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#313012 - 04/02/08 10:34 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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"I was from a different culture they didn't understand and thought was a trash culture anyway, besides being weird and introverted, and we completely failed to communicate and quickly stopped trying. "


Ever see the Green Mile? or read the books?
due to that sentence all I can think of is when they are getting ready to execute the first guy, I forget his name and brutus says so paul tell me since hes Cherokee, we are not gonna have a medicine man in here shaking his dick are we?

Paul goes on to say something about well brutus, I dont think they shake their dicks, but hes Christian and has elected for a preacher instead.
Does it have shit to do with this thread? no not in nearly any way aside form the showing of culture and misunderstood meanings and practices. But it is now stuck in my fucking head!

In a shitty mood scotty? then your in the right mood to watch the myst, if you read the novella in skeleton crew, youll love the moive, follows it exactly, all but to the ending, King hinted at the possible ending, but never committed to write it. Frank wrote it and told the studios he wouldnt make it unless he was allowed to keep the ending. I personally liked it, but im a deranged bastard and had already thought if that was me in that situation...
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#313147 - 04/03/08 09:38 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: Jase]
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no one ever has it all. you could have had a seemingly "normal" family, but not even begin to love, let alone like, your father and have the few good memories that you still have of him to cherish.

I just want to be clear on something here. I don't mean it was, or is, me wanting it all. It was dad. He wanted the normal happy family. He wanted it all when he would have been better off making the decision to either go on with his new life or let his new life go. He spent a lot of time in a pretend situation that made him more miserable than he would have otherwise been, made me miserable, and gave his new wife more reason to be (act) miserable. Dad's failing was in trying to force a situation to work that was a lie. Dad and I were the only two in the whole dynamic that loved each other let alone liked each other.

I think, dad valued how he was thought of and the face he presented to the world more than he valued his own happiness. He was a person that seemingly had it all. He was at the top of his profession with national and international recognition. He had all the trappings of wealth. He had a trophy wife and seemingly happy family... from the outside. On the inside though nobody liked the other and misery ruled the day. Everyone hated each other and hated the situation they were forced to live in. He stayed to save face in the small town community, my step-mother stayed for the money, I had no choice.

The end for him came in two stages. First, his wife threw a fit about sending me to college. She said because her daughter only went for two years that was all he was going to pay for me. The fact that my step-sister flunked out didn't matter. Second, he caught his wife fucking her daughter's new husband. He died fifteen, or so, days later.

Life is to short and far to precious a gift for such misery. Sometime we have to choose to leave someone behind and generally it's a shit choice. He should have gone on with his new wife and had a kid out there somewhere or sacrificed what he thought he wanted for the sake of a kid. Trying to force both and live a lie just made everybody unhappy and miserable.

It makes me sad to think about it. Not so much for the shit I had to endure but for the unhappiness he had to live in. I wish he could have had something better. He was a good man, he deserved better. If my not being around could have alleviated a lot of the tension he had to deal with, I wish he would have left me behind. Mom gave him that option. She didn't need money or anything from him. She was and is strong, caring and always there. Part of me wishes he would have taken her offer.

I love my dad and he loved me but love in misery is, I think, maybe not worth it.
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#313157 - 04/03/08 10:54 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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It sounds a lot like you feel that you are the blame for your father's misery.

I can assure you that you are not.

I don't know the dynamics of the relationship between your father and your step-mother, but it would not have been any better without you in it!

Children are not and never were the cause of the failure of their parents marriages.

Children don't make life easy, but the real reason life is miserable for some is due to their own inability to cope.

Maybe he would have been better off without her, but you were not the cause of her making him miserable.

If she resented you because you were the product of a different woman, that's her fucking problem, not yours!
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#313161 - 04/03/08 11:27 AM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: Rad]
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>>>"It sounds a lot like you feel that you are the blame for your father's misery."

Not at all. I didn't mean to make it sound like that. He made his pile of shit and insisted on wallowing in it. I think, for the sake of his own happiness, he would have be better off cutting me loose or cutting her loose, at least in the beginning.

While I know that wouldn't have solved all his problems, maybe he could have enjoyed his life a little more, rather than the near daily misery of trying to have us all get along. That's what I mean when I say "it was a shit choice" he was faced with but one that should have been made instead of opting for pretend happiness and continued misery. The longer I was around the more she resented me and him and the more his life went down hill. At the outset when it became apparent there wasn't room enough for all of us to be happy together, I think, he should have let one of us go.
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#313168 - 04/03/08 04:03 PM Re: It frustrates me and pisses me off [Re: OldFolks]
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 Originally Posted By: OldFolks
I think, for the sake of his own happiness, he would have be better off cutting me loose or cutting her loose, at least in the beginning.

While I know that wouldn't have solved all his problems, maybe he could have enjoyed his life a little more, rather than the near daily misery of trying to have us all get along.


We all get a little smarter when we look back. I'd say, leave it all back there and move forward.... take just the good memories with you.

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