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#315829 - 05/06/08 01:44 AM
Why do people act like it's harmless?
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TheFallenLight
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Perhaps it's effects are lighter then the others, but smoking pot isn't harmless.
Its destroyed allot of peoples lives, and has been proven so. Why are there still people out there including my ex, who's saying there are no bad side effects.
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#315835 - 05/06/08 02:36 AM
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Because there really isnt. lol
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#315836 - 05/06/08 03:50 AM
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There's plenty of people, some people it has no effect on, but others it can really effect. I know some of my friends started smoking pot and their life went down the toilet.
Their grades dropped quite a bit, they became self righteous, and impressed with themselves. They became poor. And most annoyingly, they decided all of a sudden they were geniuses.
It also still can tar up your lungs.
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#315849 - 05/06/08 06:28 AM
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There's lots.
The biggest killer I've seen in my friends is a major loss in motivation. These guys do nothing, have earned nothing and won't achieve anything, unless they change their ways.
Of course these are gram a day smokers.
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#315867 - 05/06/08 11:16 AM
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Breathing air is also not harmless.
What's your point?
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#315875 - 05/06/08 01:02 PM
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I guess it depends on the person. Im a pretty healthy person. Almost never sick. I also have a scholarship and not in any danger of losing it and i smoke 3-5 times daily.
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#315881 - 05/06/08 02:08 PM
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3-5 times daily??? Rather hard to believe, but I guess if you build an immunity.....
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#315888 - 05/06/08 02:45 PM
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> Rather hard to believe
While 3-5 times a day is pretty excessive, it's not all too difficult to believe.
It also depends on what he means by 3-5 times. If he means 3-5 blunts/joints, then I can easily see that happening.
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#315904 - 05/06/08 04:41 PM
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I'm sure it's possible, people do build immunities, which is why some people can get drunk off their ass the first time barely drinking it, then later, it takes more.
It annoys me hearing "I'm so much better off now that I started smoking it, remember when I was depressed and miserable." It's like umm yeah I still deal with it every day when you're not fucked up =/
It's killed off my friends ability to tell that they're miserable either way.
I suppose you can argue if they're miserable either why does it matter but still, one issues at a time.
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#315910 - 05/06/08 04:56 PM
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It's wrong if people expect their problems to get bette rwhen they smoke.
But just to escape from all the things that bother you from day to day, is that so bad?
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#315915 - 05/06/08 05:22 PM
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Actually I've come to find it's a really bad thing, I use to do that, and I could do it without pot or alcohol.
But shit built up and got bad. and eventually I couldn't do it anymore, getting stuff that messed with my body to make me feel better to ignore a problem that won't go away by ignoring just doesn't work in the end.
It's better to move on or resolve the problem. And doing it from day to day is bad too. At least in my opinion, if it's just getting to be to much to take over an extended period of time, I understand needing someway to escape.
But doing it daily isn't going to get you anywhere. And in allot of peoples cases, tracking backwards.
You can only hide from reality for so long, and what's gonna happen when it finds you? Are you going to let it destroy you?
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#315916 - 05/06/08 05:25 PM
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But just to escape from all the things that bother you from day to day, is that so bad?
Like Fallen said, using to escape does nothing to resolve the cause. In the long run, resolving the casue is better than masking it.
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#315923 - 05/06/08 05:49 PM
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Nah, blunts take too much marijuana. I smoke out of pipes. I probably pack it about 2 times when i smoke. And thats what i mean when i smoke 3-5 times. Every time I smoke, i pack it twice. I dont even do it to get away from my problems. I love my life, well, except for the lack of women in it. lol.
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#315939 - 05/06/08 07:42 PM
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You guys must've not read what I said.
> getting stuff that messed with my body to make me feel better to ignore a problem that won't go away by ignoring just doesn't work in the end.
> using to escape does nothing to resolve the cause
> resolving the casue is better than masking it.
Ok, now look what I said in my last post:
> It's wrong if people expect their problems to get bette rwhen they smoke.
Something about that statement that is unlcear? Let me know, I'll clear it up.
Ironically, Fallen actually agreed with me when he said this:
> At least in my opinion, if it's just getting to be to much to take over an extended period of time, I understand needing someway to escape.
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#316453 - 05/11/08 07:37 PM
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The people whose lives are destroyed by pot smoking is either because their life was already on shaky grounds or, quite simply and quite commonly with most drugs including alcohol, through excessive use.
I'm a regular pot smoker and many of my friends are too but I limit myself to weekends or social events, just as I do with alcohol. Most of my friends are the same altho some of them light up whenever they feel that it is ok for them to do so. Has it ruined their lives? No, they are smart people who know better than to get baked off their faces when work needs to be done. These people come from lots of different backgrounds, most of them pretty shitty, but they do well in college and don't show any signs of dropping.
Pot smoking only requires a little common sense.
As for physical damage, yes smoking pot can cause lung problems, but unlike tobacco smoking, the damage is restricted to the larger parts of the lungs where it is more easily treatable. There has never been a reported case of death or cancer as a result of smoking pot, except for accidental injury.
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#316456 - 05/11/08 10:05 PM
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Be quiet, bob, they don't want to ehar that. They'd rather live in their ignorant world where pot makes you insane and kills people!
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#316460 - 05/11/08 11:23 PM
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what does LTTA stand for??
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#316463 - 05/12/08 12:43 AM
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Let's try this again
Why?
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#316491 - 05/12/08 05:52 PM
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It's my opinion that any drug, including alcohol, can be used by some people and some people can't.
Problem is, you don't know which one you are before you start.
It's the safest bet to never use artificial means to gain happiness.
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#316498 - 05/12/08 06:31 PM
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It's the safest bet to never use artificial means to gain happiness.
Then never watch a movie or listen to music. These are artificial stimuli intended to alter your emotional state. Bambi will make some people cry and not others. Problem is, you don't know which one you are before you start watching.
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#316499 - 05/12/08 06:32 PM
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Here's one of my favourite scenes from a rather crap-ish movie.
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#316500 - 05/12/08 06:37 PM
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It's the safest bet to never use artificial means to gain happiness. Then never watch a movie or listen to music. These are artificial stimuli intended to alter your emotional state. Bambi will make some people cry and not others. Problem is, you don't know which one you are before you start watching.
There is no comparison, there.
That's just silly.
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#316501 - 05/12/08 06:49 PM
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Really? Television addiction is real, it has negative effects on people's health and on their social lives. It alters their state of mind and many people find it very hard to control their habit or stop it. It has been known to cause, in some people, a lack of motivation and feelings of listlessness, depression, and anger.
It may be silly to you, but it is a serious problem for others. To quote the title of this thread, why do people act like it's harmless?
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#316502 - 05/12/08 06:56 PM
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You, for example?
Bet you can't actually name another.
I'm not against TV, movies or recreational drugs, but among the three, I'd pick TV & movies to be addicted to any day, over say, alcohol or heroine.
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#316504 - 05/12/08 07:16 PM
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1 - I didn't say that cannabis smoking is harmless. Quite the opposite, I supported an earlier comment about pot smoking causing lung damage.
2 - Another what? Another serious health problem that many people do not take seriously? How about pornography addiction? Internet addiction? Computer game addiction? Exercise addiction?
3 - I completely agree with you on the heroine addiction point. Luckily for me, Cannabis is not physically addictive. It can potentially be psychologically addictive, but so can anything.
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#316505 - 05/12/08 07:22 PM
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These are artificial stimuli intended to alter your emotional state.
I believe he meant "artificial stimuli intended to physically alter"
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#316506 - 05/12/08 07:29 PM
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Well then exercise addiction can still count. Exercising has a direct physical effect on the body.
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#316507 - 05/12/08 07:36 PM
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Excercising is "aritificial" or external chemically induced?
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#316508 - 05/12/08 07:39 PM
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Another person adversely affected by watching TV or movies.
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#316511 - 05/12/08 07:57 PM
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One of the worst parts of addiction is that most people refuse to admit that they're addicted.
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#316516 - 05/12/08 08:07 PM
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Tobacco's got me by the balls!
People without kids look at things differently. I begged my daughter to never smoke. She does; she's hooked.
If we knew things were just fun with no consequences, we'd probably have little hesitation handing over a 'fun pill' and saying, "Go have a good time, dear!"
But, we know these things can have life altering/life ending consequences.
I *might* be able to handle my own addiction, but being powerless to to anything for anyone else makes me cautious and parents actually hurt for their children.
It's really hard to explain and I never thought one personal opinion would lead to me having to wrack my little brain for a solid answer, but .....
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#316525 - 05/12/08 09:52 PM
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> Here's one of my favourite scenes from a rather crap-ish movie.
Let me speak like one of the "others here": "Well that's just a movie, we know movies aren't real"
But I thought it was funny.
And let's face it, these people would rather drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes than admit that weed may not be all that bad for you.
They ignore things like the fact that there are 0 deaths directly linked to marijuana, while there are hundreds of thousands of deaths every year from the other two legal substances I mentioned.
I guess Henry Anslinger did get to some people. I bet these people here think heroin addictions leads to marijuana, too (which is what they used to say)!
Edit: And I'm sure the $45.5 billiion spent on the war on drugs in 2005 were well worth it! Screw the poor people in the country, let's get the weed off the streets, right?
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#316529 - 05/12/08 10:01 PM
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It makes me sleepy.
Although I really had to think what I was going to tell her, what I told my daughter was, "I really don't think it's bad, but IT IS ILLEGAL."
I thought that was a 'nuff said, but she took it that I gave her my permission.
We cleared that up and she never smoked it at home again, that's for sure.
We're not all fuddy duddy's, but let's be clear:
Marijuana won't LEAD to other drugs directly, but if you've used that, using something else is just another step, should you choose to take it.
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#316535 - 05/12/08 10:41 PM
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Ok, let's take your last sentence and take out a few words:
> using something else is just another step, should you choose to take it.
Wow, it still means the exact same thing.
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#316542 - 05/12/08 11:14 PM
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It even LOOKS to be the same thing.
You took nothing out, really .... left it as I typed it, just the end of the sentence without the beginning.
Am I missing a point you meant to make?
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#316553 - 05/13/08 12:02 AM
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My point is, whether you use marijuana or not, it's just one more step to using other drugs.
So the idea that marijuana leads to other drugs is just... wrong.
The only thing that can be related to that is if you become a heavy marijuana user, chances are you are more likely to see/know people who do other drugs. But again, if you've already made up in your mind you don't want to do any other drugs, that's not going to happen.
If someone does tend to migrate to other, worse drugs, then chances are they would've done so anyway, whether they had smoked marijuana or not.
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#316556 - 05/13/08 12:06 AM
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My point is, whether you use marijuana or not, it's just one more step to using other drugs.
So the idea that marijuana leads to other drugs is just... wrong.
The only thing that can be related to that is if you become a heavy marijuana user, chances are you are more likely to see/know people who do other drugs. But again, if you've already made up in your mind you don't want to do any other drugs, that's not going to happen.
If someone does tend to migrate to other, worse drugs, then chances are they would've done so anyway, whether they had smoked marijuana or not.
Okie dokie.
Here's what I said:
Marijuana won't LEAD to other drugs directly, but if you've used that, using something else is just another step, should you choose to take it.
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#316559 - 05/13/08 12:18 AM
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Ok, I read that wrong.
But it'd still be a good idea for other people to read my post.
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#316561 - 05/13/08 12:26 AM
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That is true.
In place of marijuana, you can substitute any of the following:
Nitrous oxide
Glue
Aerosol
Alcohol
Cigarettes
Physician prescribed drugs (for 'me', but 'I' abuse them or for someone else and 'I' take them)
Purchased/manufactured minor drugs
Purchased/manufactured major drugs
People can and do START on heroine or some other such drug without ever having done pot and I never said otherwise.
The one that hooks you, might not even be as "strong".
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#316564 - 05/13/08 12:39 AM
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That's why I think it's stupid when people say marijuana is a gateway drug.
There's no such thing as a drug that makes you want to do another type of drug.
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#316565 - 05/13/08 12:44 AM
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I don't think it's a 'gateway drug', but I'll take us back to my original statement:
It's my opinion that any drug, including alcohol, can be used by some people and some people can't.
Problem is, you don't know which one you are before you start.
It's the safest bet to never use artificial means to gain happiness.
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#316568 - 05/13/08 12:48 AM
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In a perfect world that would be true, but it's not a perfect world, and people are going to experiment. If they experiment and it were up to me, I'd much rather have kids experiment with marijuana than heroin/coke/etc.
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#316570 - 05/13/08 12:52 AM
Re: Why do people act like it's harmless?
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Can I say "Duh" here?
Well, yeah! Pot instead of cigarettes, alcohol or whatever!
*It even had medicinal value!
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#316573 - 05/13/08 12:54 AM
Re: Why do people act like it's harmless?
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> Can I say "Duh" here?
If it really was so "duh" to everybody, this thread wouldn't be here in the first place.
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#316578 - 05/13/08 01:10 AM
Re: Why do people act like it's harmless?
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People can and do START on heroine or some other such drug without ever having done pot.
Some perhaps, but in general, I think that's BS. Pot is probably the first easily accessible drug aside from glue and other shit like that. Most poeple are not going to just jump into more hardcore drugs. Those who never got into smoking are probably not going to just try meth or heroin, etc.. Those who like getting high off pot, are probably more willing to try "other" highs. I'm not saying they will but the probability has to be higher than a non-user.
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#316592 - 05/13/08 07:58 AM
Re: Why do people act like it's harmless?
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If you say "some perhaps", then how can that be possibly be followed by "I think that's BS"?
It's either bullshit because you believe NONE have ever done it or your "Some perhaps" supports my "people CAN" (not WILL .... CAN) statement.
I still know people who have never tried marijuana and while it's not likely that they will ever try the hard stuff either, it is possible and not merely bullshit. Don't forget the huge numbers of common, ordinary people who have become addicted to medications prescribed by their doctor.
While marijuana may not be a "gateway" drug, I still think it's best to leave that, and other feel good drugs, alone.
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#316616 - 05/13/08 11:29 AM
Re: Why do people act like it's harmless?
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The wording came out all wrong..
Anyways.. It's my opinion that some may jump right into harder stuff, but I believe many will start with pot and then be more tempted to "try" other stuff. If they are smart and don't, then that's great.
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#316631 - 05/13/08 07:07 PM
Re: Why do people act like it's harmless?
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Again, the people you describe are already open to the idea of doing drugs.
Just because most of them start with weed doesn't mean anything. Every one of these people could just have well started with crack.
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