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#345561 - 07/15/09 10:46 AM The world is changing...
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...in ways you may not be aware of.
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#345565 - 07/15/09 12:50 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: ]
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Then go live in a Muslim country and live under their Sharia laws. It's easy to talk your talk until your way of life is curtailed.

But the numbers don't lie and the trend is inevitable. A prime example has already occured in Europe. With the very high birth rate of Albanians in Kosovo, the demographic balance became very lopsided leading to conflict. Similar scenarios can unfold in the future in western countries.

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#345568 - 07/15/09 01:28 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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"This is a call to action."

No matter what the numbers are saying, do you realise that that video is actually calling for a holy war?

Muslims are not evil people. I don't agree with the religion at all but I'm not gonna start slaughtering the people because of it. The only thing that needs protection from the spread of Islam are the governments. If you have a secular government then it doesn't matter who is in the country, as their decisions won't (or atleast shouldn't) be influenced by any one religion's nut job beliefs.
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#345571 - 07/15/09 01:58 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: bobalicious]
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 Originally Posted By: bobalicious
"This is a call to action."

No matter what the numbers are saying, do you realise that that video is actually calling for a holy war?

Muslims are not evil people. I don't agree with the religion at all but I'm not gonna start slaughtering the people because of it. The only thing that needs protection from the spread of Islam are the governments. If you have a secular government then it doesn't matter who is in the country, as their decisions won't (or atleast shouldn't) be influenced by any one religion's nut job beliefs.


The irony is that it's already a holy war, waged by the Muslims. How quickly folks forget what happend in France just a few years back. It was eventually uncovered that it was fueled by the Imams sent to France to proselytize young, impressionable folks to jihad. Look at the laws that are being passed in Europe concerning Muslims and Sharia law, too. The call to action for us is to do what is necessary to prevent that war from being carried to us in the same way it already has been in Europe. Closing the borders to Muslim immigration would be a start. Someday, when those "nut jobs" are in the majority, a Muslim will hold a sword to your throat...maybe then you'll finally get the message.

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#345576 - 07/15/09 02:33 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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Yahh! Grab your torches and pitchforks! Let's go raid houses and kill anyone with brown skin, and doesn't worship at churches!
Oh no...There's a more Muslims living in the world today...I'm shaking in my boots...I think I might --*faints*

Wow, that was kind of stupid. You don't think this has happened in the world before, like Rad said?
So what? Cultures change all the time. How many "true" Americans (and by that, I mean descendants of Pilgrims, etc.) exist anymore? Pretty soon, there's going to be an influx of Japanese too. Should we take up arms, freak out about the Japanese too?

Yay! Let's get excited about something that happens naturally, and make it matter of the utmost importance to make sure change doesn't happen!

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#345577 - 07/15/09 02:35 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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Alright....that was officially one of THE most racist things I've ever read. To think that a holy man, declared of his own will (meaning you, apparently...) said that...
Shoot, dude, that "war" has been going on for over 1000 years, and guess who started it? Christians, because anyone's who different, must be friends with Lucifer, you know it!

I really can't believe you said that. You claim that you don't shove your head in the sand, but yet, you just COMPLETELY stereotyped an entire people.

>>Something I forgot<<
Alright, now see, this whole thing with Sharia Law, I'm completely fine with it. People have this misconceived notion that's it's all horrible, and and everything (I talk about this with my family a lot, we have these kind of discussions often), but it's part of their RELIGION. Yeah, there's things we don't like about other religions, but we don't step in. There are things I'm almost positive other religions don't like about Christianity, any form, but they don't care enough to take action over it. We shouldn't stick our noses into places where they don't belong.

We had this discussion in my English class, with Kite Runner, too. I even have a Muslim friend, she has to wear her hi jab(sp) and all too, and she explained a lot of these things to the class, that it's just the way it is. I couldn't care less, it's what they do, based on their belief, just like with our bread and wine.


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#345587 - 07/15/09 03:44 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: LuvMyCats]
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Well when it comes to Sharia Law then I actually have to have a word with it. A religion is not a government, it is not in the position to have laws, especially if the laws and punishments go against the laws of the inhabitants' nation.

Sharia Law does enforce oppression against women, something that goes against international law. Although the burqa is optional for Muslim women in most Western countries, the hijab is not. They are forced to wear it, so it doesn't even matter if they claim its their choice because in reality, they don't have a choice!

There was a poll in Ireland a few weeks ago that revealed that 40% of Muslims in Ireland would rather live under Sharia Law than Irish law. Do you know what the response of most Irish people was? If you want Sharia Law, then fuck off somewhere that has it. When you're in our country you live by our rules. There is no special treatment for anyone.
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#345589 - 07/15/09 03:49 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: ]
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Were you and/or your family directly affected by that ethnic cleansing in Kosovo?

Actually, yes. I do have family who have lost their homes to Albanians.

I envision everybody who does come, like they always have, adopt the country and become an American.

That's a nice vision. Unfortunatley, I don't think that will be the case. Their culture will become prevalent with their population increase. When their population increases to the extent that they vote in representatives into the government and when they start enacting rules that fit "their" lifestyle, what then? Of course, it won't happen in our lifetime. But things will eventually change.

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#345592 - 07/15/09 04:12 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: bobalicious]
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But I don't see--me wanting to follow my religion and do something that I believe I have to do--as special treatment, and sure as hell not in the US. I'm not saying that all other countries can screw off, and we're the best, but I am saying, that our constitution provides them that freedom, that they can do that, and no one can take that away.

And I know a religion isn't a gov't, of course I do, but any religion enforces such things, but they're just not thought of as laws. Confession, for example.
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#345593 - 07/15/09 04:19 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: LuvMyCats]
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Don't you realize that Muslims CAN and DO rule by their own laws in foreign countries? WHat do you say when they start enacting punishments that are contrary to what "our" laws say are reasonable?
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#345594 - 07/15/09 04:21 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: sdp]
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Once they're here....I think it'll be like the Ex Post Facto provision....but, once they live here, they aren't under their previous gov't anymore, and religious rules, they don't change all that much...ever...it's the real rules that change all the time.
>>Besides, they probably won't be written under religious rules...and even so...our laws would prohibit that, on OUR soil, even with the 1st amendment in place. Just like our laws kick in once we step foot on our embassies land in other countries...except China.


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#345595 - 07/15/09 04:42 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: LuvMyCats]
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But the problem is that there is an increase in the Muslim community for following their own religious laws within a nation that does not recognise their laws.

As I was saying about how 40% of Muslims in Ireland would like to live separately under Sharia Law in Ireland, there was also a percentage that wished to replace Irish law with Sharia Law entirely.

The problem isn't free speech or freedom of religion, but freedom FROM religion. There are religious folk from all denominations that not only insist that their religion's laws are perfect, but are insisting on enacting them as state laws. For more than 50 years Christians have been trying to turn America into a Christian nation, something that is very backwards for a country that has so many different religions in it. Now the Christian fundamentalists are going ape-shit because they think Muslims are gonna do the same thing.
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#345597 - 07/15/09 05:04 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: LuvMyCats]
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Your(and Rad's) views and comments are very typical of the majority of Americans who have this idealized view yet miss the reality of the world outside the walls of the US. That's why the rest of the world has such a poor opinion of Americans. It's not my intention to diss either of you. It's just a reality.
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#345598 - 07/15/09 07:16 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: bobalicious]
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But that goes both ways, freedom of [insert here].
Speech:You have the right to say what you want, but you can't say certain things that might cause danger/must accept John Doe saying what he wants.
Press:You can write what you want, but you have to accept that John down the street can write that you're a piece of trash, however untrue.
Religion:You can practice whatever you want, but you have to live with John practicing something different.

sdp:Although we may be "typical", it seems to me that you're the under-educated one, thinking that most Muslim people hate America, are with the Taliban or Al Queida, are suicide bombers, or extremists.

The rest of the world has a bad opinion about the majority of Americans, because the one that portrays Americans, for the last 8 years was a baboon with a speech impediment, who started a war to protect his biggest money maker, who openly demoralized and mocked other nations, lied to his people countless times, and instituted something that allowed complete gov't control, when the country stands for ideals that directly contradict that.
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#345599 - 07/15/09 08:10 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: LuvMyCats]
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I never said "most", "all" are this or that....
Please don't put words in my mouth. You tend to do that.


I'm not talking about "just" Muslims opinions. And GWB only made things much worse.

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#345601 - 07/15/09 08:54 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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The irony is that it's already a holy war, waged by the Muslims. How quickly folks forget what happend in France just a few years back. It was eventually uncovered that it was fueled by the Imams sent to France to proselytize young, impressionable folks to jihad. Look at the laws that are being passed in Europe concerning Muslims and Sharia law, too. The call to action for us is to do what is necessary to prevent that war from being carried to us in the same way it already has been in Europe. Closing the borders to Muslim immigration would be a start. Someday, when those "nut jobs" are in the majority, a Muslim will hold a sword to your throat...maybe then you'll finally get the message.


You know... it's that kind of talk that starts raging wars that do NOTHING to hurt the selfish prejudice men who start them but is in all actuality a free pass to BLOODSHED of the innocent.

BULLLLLLLL CRAAAAPPPPPPPP
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#345602 - 07/15/09 09:16 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: LuvMyCats]
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George Bush did not give the world a bad view of America, its been there for quite a while. The stereotypical view of Americans has changed though. No longer do we think of Americans as lard-filled idiot tourists, Americans are know seen as uneducated, money-hungry, evangelical, racist, homophobic, flag-waving bigots with a fundamentalism on par with Al-Qaeda.

Obviously this is not what Americans are, there is no one way of describing every American, but this is the image of America that the rest of the world is seeing these days. Its horrible because I know so many Americans, many on this site, who are absolutely nothing like this. But sadly I also know a small number who are and they tend to be the loudest and they are ruining your reputation internationally.
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#345606 - 07/15/09 09:33 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: ]
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I guess what I'm trying to say is that the world has a view of America(ns) that "Americans" don't see, don't want to see and/or don't understand. It has nothing to do with your ideals. That is all fine.
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#345608 - 07/15/09 09:51 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: ]
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I think the problem is that Americans in general have an "I don't give a shit about anyone else except #1" attitude. They don't know and/or don't care about anyone else. America has been and is a world power. Given it's status, it's influence and meddling in others affairs sours the opinion of others.
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#345609 - 07/15/09 09:58 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Rad
Revenge might even be in order, but revenge isn't exactly an American value.


America reminds me of a friend of mine who will punch someone on the shoulder out of nowhere and when they punch back, he feels that he must seek revenge. He honestly believes that when the person punches back that he is the victim!
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#345610 - 07/15/09 10:02 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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OMFG

how dare they invade our shores
out breed us
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and impose their religion upon the land as though it belongs here

next they'll have the poor, downtrodden, white christians living on reserves with only casinos to support them!
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#345612 - 07/15/09 10:17 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: unsupervised]
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With only their president and his cronies making any money off those casinos.
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#345613 - 07/15/09 10:31 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: OldFolks]
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hopefully, they'll set up residential schools to teach the little savage christan heathens about the real god
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#345614 - 07/15/09 10:39 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: unsupervised]
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You folks think to much about permanence, your time here is limited along with your inventions and contrivances. We are all replaced and nothing will last.

Hows that for the big picture.
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#345615 - 07/15/09 10:40 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: unsupervised]
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hopefully, they'll set up residential schools to teach the little savage christan heathens about the real god

There better be rampant abuse and molestation in those schools or it doesn't count.
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#345616 - 07/15/09 10:43 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: OldFolks]
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oh, I thought the big picture was that christians weren't fucking enough
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#345618 - 07/15/09 10:45 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: unsupervised]
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Doesn't matter Alla will send a plague to rid the world of them like Jesus did with the homosexuals.
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#345622 - 07/15/09 11:00 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: unsupervised]
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Take religeon out of the picture and the scenario is still the same.

The world is in constant flux and we are in the decline.

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#345624 - 07/15/09 11:08 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: sdp]
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 Originally Posted By: sdp
...and we are in the decline.

I think people always like to think they are living in the time of the decline. I would say throughout history they people who actually thought they were living in the ascension of mankind are by far in the minority.
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#345626 - 07/15/09 11:09 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: sdp]
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 Originally Posted By: sdp
Take religeon out of the picture and the scenario is still the same.

The world is in constant flux and we are in the decline.


religion should be out of the picture in the greater scheme of things. Yes, the world is defiantly in constant flux, geologically, sociologically, etc, etc.

You may feel that you are in decline but I am not in decline
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#345628 - 07/15/09 11:40 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: ]
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Bad guys rarely think they are the bad guys.

Not saying that you are tho.
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#345631 - 07/15/09 11:57 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: bobalicious]
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I always rooted for the bad guy. Hans Gruber, Darth Vader, the ndns in every western... and I always hated that bitch Goldilocks.
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#345633 - 07/16/09 12:05 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: OldFolks]
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I think that I've already made my feelings clear about Goldilocks.
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#345634 - 07/16/09 12:25 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: ]
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Yes, I'll agree with sdp too.
And what's even worse, is that 60% of high school graduates, can't find China on a world map. CHINA!!!

Alrighty then...I think I'll just sit back, and wait FOR China to be #1.

sdp:I'll give you a high five for the "not giving a crap..." statement. It's hard to believe, with the spread of technology, and the internet, and everything else, that people still think that way, that there are still isolationists...maybe that's what we should do again....I wonder...

Rad: high five for the "How does my view make the world..."post...just wanted to not forget that...

bob:it's because most of america is too afraid to go along with change, and capitalism has been taken wayyyy to far [in my opin.], so i guess you could say i agree.

overall...i'm glad you guys are valuing what i have to say here, not discounting me because I'm young...unlike others, not naming names...it really does make me happy, and i really appreciate it. \:\)
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#345636 - 07/16/09 12:34 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: LuvMyCats]
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 Originally Posted By: LuvMyCats
overall...i'm glad you guys are valuing what i have to say here, not discounting me because I'm young...unlike others, not naming names...it really does make me happy, and i really appreciate it. \:\)


I have no idea how old you are, but I can assume that I'm not that much older than you, if I'm at all older. Age means nothing, there are many old people who think they're wise but are actually childlike fools.
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#345637 - 07/16/09 01:00 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: unsupervised]
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You may feel that you are in decline but I am not in decline


I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

All global powers rose, peaked, plateued, waned and declined. I don't know where the US stands on the scale. A plateau???

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#345638 - 07/16/09 02:14 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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I don't have time to look into this as much as I would like, but I do have a few comments.

1. I checked some of the figures and nearly all the figures I checked seem to be wrong. The video says that in France the fertility rate is 1.8 children per family, but for Muslims (presumably, Muslims in France) it is 8.1. However in http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_en_France the numbers (given per woman rather than per family) are 2 and 3.3 respectively [Jonathan Laurence et Justin Vaïsse, Intégrer l'Islam p.43, Odile Jacob, 2007, ISBN 9782738119001]. It is also noted there that the Muslim women are on average poorer, but over time in France their fertility rate decreases to match that of other French women [ http://dspace.nitle.org/bitstream/10090/4201/1/Gaines.pdf p. 18].

The video claims that in southern France there are more mosques than churches. I have not been able to find any exact numbers, but in France as a whole it is estimated there are approximately 100,000 churches [Magazine Maires de France de Juin 2008, quoted in http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89glise_(%C3%A9difice)], while there are 2100 mosques [L'Annuaire musulman, édition 2008 Orientica], most just a garage or room.

The video claims that 50% of all new-borns in the Netherlands are Muslim and that in 15 years half the population of the Netherlands will be Muslim; but the Centraal Bureau voor de Statistiek gives the percentage of Muslims in the Netherlands in 2007 as 5.3% ["Ruim 850 duizend islamieten in Nederland", CBS Webmagazine, 24 oktober 2007, quoted in http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Nederland ], and it estimates on present figures and trends that in 2050 (more than 40 years away) the percentage will be about 8% [ http://www.nidi.knaw.nl/en/output/demos/2007/demos-23-09-debeer.pdf/demos-23-09-debeer.pdf ].

Those are all the numbers I have checked, and they do not give a good picture of the veracity of the video.

2. The vague references to "research" about the need for certain fertility rates to support a culture, without any proper citations, do not impress. As others have pointed out, there are very many instances of cultures surviving a long period of population decline.

3. But I would go further and suggest that population is not the main determinant. Over the last century, the continents with the largest population growth have been Asia and Africa. Asia now contains more than 60% of the world's population. Europe and both Americas now account for only about a quarter of the world's population.

Yet what has been very evident over the last century has not been the Western cultures becoming more Asianised or Africanised, despite the greater number of people from those continents in Western nations. Instead, Western culture has been exported into Asia and Africa (much to the regret of some conservatives who see their own culture disappearing).

A lot of this has had to do with science and technology (including, of course, military technology). This does not develop automatically, but requires a culture open to new ideas, and this has not in fact been the norm. Science in the West only took off as a result of the reduction of respect for authority that came about as a result of printing, so it was easier to become an author, and therefore easier to dispute old authors.

It also required a culture of learning, and this appeared in the Renaissance - but where did it come from? The old history textbooks spoke of the flame of learning being kept alive in monasteries, and this is true to some degree; but the impetus for the Renaissance came from the libraries and scholarly culture of the Muslim Moorish scholars, discovered by the West as they re-occupied Spain.

In many cultures in the past, conservatives have become frightened by scientific development, and have sought to stop it, often successfully. This happened in the Muslim world; it also happened in China. The cultures became insular and fell behind. But keeping out the outside world became more and more difficult. This is still an issue for some Islamic fundamentalists; it is also an issue for some Christian fundamentalists.

4. I'm a bit surprised by suggestions that any Muslims in Europe are under Sharia law. For a different legal system to operate in a nation for some people, either the national government must have legislated for it, or they must have lost control (as has happened in parts of Pakistan). Though there has been some talk about it, I was not aware of any legislation for Sharia law in the West - perhaps I can be better informed.

5. I had to laugh at "Someday, when those "nut jobs" are in the majority, a Muslim will hold a sword to your throat...maybe then you'll finally get the message." A sword??? A weapon that has not been more than ceremonial for a hundred years? Where does your idea of Muslims come from, thor?

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#345642 - 07/16/09 10:22 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Rad
Maybe by then, they won't be as extreme as we've seen.


That's the same kind of wishful thinking that allowed Hitler to start WWII.


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Religions don't seem to grow stronger over time, they tend to moderate.


Bullshit.

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#345643 - 07/16/09 10:27 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: bobalicious]
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 Originally Posted By: bobalicious
For more than 50 years Christians have been trying to turn America into a Christian nation, something that is very backwards for a country that has so many different religions in it. Now the Christian fundamentalists are going ape-shit because they think Muslims are gonna do the same thing.


For more than 50 years (more like 80) the liberal athiests in this country have been trying to bury the fact that this nation started out as a Christian nation...and have had some success, as we can see. Regardless, this Christian nation has always allowed any form of religion (or none at all) to be practiced...so long as you leave the rest of us to ours. Now the Muslims are trying to change that in every country they've "immigrated" to in sufficient numbers. That is the reality whether you choose to believe it or not.

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#345644 - 07/16/09 10:28 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: JapanFan14]
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The irony is that it's already a holy war, waged by the Muslims. How quickly folks forget what happend in France just a few years back. It was eventually uncovered that it was fueled by the Imams sent to France to proselytize young, impressionable folks to jihad. Look at the laws that are being passed in Europe concerning Muslims and Sharia law, too. The call to action for us is to do what is necessary to prevent that war from being carried to us in the same way it already has been in Europe. Closing the borders to Muslim immigration would be a start. Someday, when those "nut jobs" are in the majority, a Muslim will hold a sword to your throat...maybe then you'll finally get the message.


You know... it's that kind of talk that starts raging wars that do NOTHING to hurt the selfish prejudice men who start them but is in all actuality a free pass to BLOODSHED of the innocent.

BULLLLLLLL CRAAAAPPPPPPPP


If I, too, lived in a bubble, I might think the same thing. Fortunately for my sense of reality, I stopped living in the bubble a long time ago.

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#345645 - 07/16/09 10:31 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: unsupervised]
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 Originally Posted By: unsupervised

You may feel that you are in decline but I am not in decline


Canada certainly is, as can be seen in that video. And since Canada is probably more full of liberal athiests than the US, the odds are you're going to feel the results of all this a lot sooner than we will.

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#345646 - 07/16/09 10:36 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: Ineligible]
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 Originally Posted By: Ineligible

For a different legal system to operate in a nation for some people, either the national government must have legislated for it, or they must have lost control...


Or both...the second precedes the first.


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5. I had to laugh at "Someday, when those "nut jobs" are in the majority, a Muslim will hold a sword to your throat...maybe then you'll finally get the message." A sword??? A weapon that has not been more than ceremonial for a hundred years? Where does your idea of Muslims come from, thor?


You must have missed the video of the US reporter who had his head cut off with a knife by Muslims. Yes, the sword (or knife) certainly is cerimonial...and is still used. But to be honest, my statement was more figurative than literal.

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#345647 - 07/16/09 11:01 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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 Originally Posted By: bobalicious
For more than 50 years Christians have been trying to turn America into a Christian nation, something that is very backwards for a country that has so many different religions in it. Now the Christian fundamentalists are going ape-shit because they think Muslims are gonna do the same thing.


For more than 50 years (more like 80) the liberal athiests in this country have been trying to bury the fact that this nation started out as a Christian nation...and have had some success, as we can see. Regardless, this Christian nation has always allowed any form of religion (or none at all) to be practiced...so long as you leave the rest of us to ours. Now the Muslims are trying to change that in every country they've "immigrated" to in sufficient numbers. That is the reality whether you choose to believe it or not.


Thor, we've been over this time and time again, America did not start off as a Christian nation! The U.S. Constitution is a completely secular document, never once is Christianity or God mentioned in it. The United States started off as a secular nation with a majority Christian population. God only started appearing on money and in other places over a century after the country's formation!
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#345648 - 07/16/09 11:02 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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 Originally Posted By: thor
Fortunately for my sense of reality, I stopped living in the bubble a long time ago.


Unfortunately for you, that bubble seemed to have been the only thing getting oxygen to your brain.
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#345649 - 07/16/09 11:04 AM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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 Originally Posted By: thor
 Originally Posted By: unsupervised

You may feel that you are in decline but I am not in decline


Canada certainly is, as can be seen in that video.


Well, you obviously seemed to ignore Ineligible's post where he was able to refute many of the figures presented in that video. Not to mention that he actually used citation, something that that video was greatly in need of.

And since Canada is probably more full of liberal athiests than the US, the odds are you're going to feel the results of all this a lot sooner than we will.
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#345651 - 07/16/09 12:23 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: ]
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Yeah, I know right??

sdp:My apologies for before, for whatever reason, I skipped over your's and Jap's post...they weren't there, I swear! Now I'm going crazy, lol...

Pete: Thanks SOO much for those numbers. That just makes me....oh, discount it more...the narrator was a nice touch though...his voice dripping with DOOM and all...


 Originally Posted By: bob
Well, you obviously seemed to ignore...
Remember that lalalalala sound? I think I hear it again...don't you?

 Originally Posted By: thor

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Religions don't seem to grow stronger over time, they tend to moderate.

Bullshit.
Well if what you say is true, shouldn't EVERYTHING in the bible be upheld? Stoning people, not allowing women to talk back to men or teach, etc..? Because I see NONE of that happening...it seems to be a much more moderate practice now, than it was, for example, 2000 years ago...

 Originally Posted By: thor
You must have missed the video of the US reporter who had his head cut off with a knife by Muslims. Yes, the sword (or knife) certainly is cerimonial...and is still used. But to be honest, my statement was more figurative than literal.
So because of one incident which happened at the hands of extremists, you think that's what the whole people is like?



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#345652 - 07/16/09 12:51 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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...same as it ever was.
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#345654 - 07/16/09 02:19 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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[[In general, not so much directed, seeing as that last post was a reply to you, meaning you posted it in general...]]

No, okay...

I, as well as others I'm sure, enjoy talking with you. Me and bob agreed on that fact. You have the [opportunity] to shed light on very relevant things, but the trouble is, you give things that don't cite ANY facts, you ignore people that DO cite facts, you talk out of both sides of your mouth, and you present a quality of "I'm better than you so I don't need to listen to your crap.".

If you would cite things, and give things from CNN and the like, and not just Joe's Down Home Bible Study News, or something like that, then I wouldn't have as much of a problem with anything you post. Even if you have something from Joe's, just back it up with, or support it with something from CNN or AP, like you had to in English class. One source isn't enough, most of the time.

Just because someone has these issues with you, doesn't mean you can go call them an ostrich digging for worms....

I'm not trying to berate, I'm just trying to explain MY discrepancies with you, is all. Please don't take it the wrong way.


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#345655 - 07/16/09 03:08 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: thor]
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this nation started out as a Christian nation.


keep saying it and someone might think its true?
Nope, sorry dude but I have to call bullshit on that.

All this shit about christain europeans discovering america it total bullshit. There were already people here, remember? The euros didn't discover anything, they invaded.

It's like as if I kicked down your front door and "discovered" your house. All my friends and I would move in and maybe form a commune. I know it's not in agreement with your beliefs and culture but I'm sure you'd adjust. If you're good, we'll let you live in the back of the basement for free. And if you can find one of our people who will give you a job, I promise you a long week end on my birthday.
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#345661 - 07/16/09 06:14 PM Re: The world is changing... [Re: unsupervised]
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 Originally Posted By: unsupervised
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this nation started out as a Christian nation.


keep saying it and someone might think its true?
Nope, sorry dude but I have to call bullshit on that.

All this shit about christain europeans discovering america it total bullshit. There were already people here, remember? The euros didn't discover anything, they invaded.

It's like as if I kicked down your front door and "discovered" your house. All my friends and I would move in and maybe form a commune. I know it's not in agreement with your beliefs and culture but I'm sure you'd adjust. If you're good, we'll let you live in the back of the basement for free. And if you can find one of our people who will give you a job, I promise you a long week end on my birthday.


Sorry dude...you're going way off on a tangent here; probably because you already know the evidence backs up what I've already said. So without any facts to back your opinion up, I'm calling bullshit on you. I've provided evidence on the subject plenty of times over the years in many different threads...I've yet to see any from you; or from any of the other liberals for that matter. And that includes you, Ineligible.

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