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#345662 - 07/16/09 06:41 PM
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Sorry dude...you're going way off on a tangent here; probably because you already know the evidence backs up what I've already said. So without any facts to back your opinion up, I'm calling bullshit on you. I've provided evidence on the subject plenty of times over the years in many different threads...I've yet to see any from you; or from any of the other liberals for that matter. And that includes you, Ineligible.
Excuse me? I believe I posted THIS just earlier today. And just in case you can't be bothered clicking that link, I'll just show you what it says.
Thor, we've been over this time and time again, America did not start off as a Christian nation! The U.S. Constitution is a completely secular document, never once is Christianity or God mentioned in it. The United States started off as a secular nation with a majority Christian population. God only started appearing on money and in other places over a century after the country's formation!
So I repeat, America was NOT founded as a Christian nation.
And I know we've discussed this before and I know that your typical argument is that it was based on Christian ideals. The only ideals that are Christian are ideals that existed long before Christianity and Judaism.
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#345664 - 07/16/09 08:44 PM
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LMFAO
yep, no evidence that anyone lived in your sacred holy land before you showed up, none at all
Scotty... you are a figment of my imagination, sorry buddy
Also, your point that Islam is defined by the acts of a few extremist nuts goes both ways dude
This is what Christianity is... men in white hoods burning crosses and lynching niggers. Yep, I've seen it in the history books and that's all there is to the story. It's a religion based on pure evil.
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#345668 - 07/16/09 11:24 PM
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thor, strident assertion does not constitute an argument. To carry on a debate it is necessary to understand what the other side is saying, and this you don't appear to do. For example, I showed that the video's data has no credibility, yet you continued to cite it as if it had - you just don't understand. If you point a gun at someone and fire it, if it is not loaded it's not an effective weapon, no matter what you believe. Reality matters. It's the same with an argument - if it has been unloaded it doesn't work.
Regardless, this Christian nation has always allowed any form of religion (or none at all) to be practiced...so long as you leave the rest of us to ours. Now the Muslims are trying to change that in every country they've "immigrated" to in sufficient numbers. I dispute this claim. What evidence do you present? (Note: assertions are not evidence.)
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#345672 - 07/16/09 11:55 PM
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I dispute this claim. What evidence do you present? (Note: assertions are not evidence.) Regardless, this Christian nation has always allowed any form of religion (or none at all) to be practiced...so long as you leave the rest of us to ours. Now the Muslims are trying to change that in every country they've "immigrated" to in sufficient numbers.
As do I, because in which case, according to his video, then half the world should be run by Taliban!!! O_O I got your back on this one, Pete. I think after this, I'll give up with his "arguments", and just focus on others...
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#345678 - 07/17/09 02:35 AM
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I think I should explain further.
1. In an argument or debate, what you are trying to do is to convince others. (If you are not trying to do that, but just set forth your view for the record, then it's not a debate.) Now to convince others, you must use methods and authorities that the others recognise. If I were trying to convince thor of something, I could validly use Biblical references, because thor accepts the authority of the Bible. But I would be wasting everyone's time quoting Biblical references to try to convince people who do not accept the Bible as an authority. Or I might believe that some source is a reliable source of information; but if my hearers do not agree, there is no point using it.
The same goes for method of argument. I might believe that repeating the same thing over and over again is a valid way of debating, but if my hearers do not, I am wasting my breath.
2. When you say "in every country", the statement can be disproved by finding just one counter-example - perhaps Turkey or Indonesia - where a Muslim majority does not suppress freedom of religion (at least, life for Christians there is no more uncomfortable than life for Muslims in the US).
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#345681 - 07/17/09 03:26 AM
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a reasonable person would offer opinions as such and would debate facts with sources. Now, the are some facts that no one would ever feel the need to cite a source, such as the shape of the earth, the length of the day, the colour of the sky. With faith comes a blind belief in certain "facts". They are irrefutable and require no proof. Any facts that may disagree with those beliefs are not only irrelevant, they're basically invisible.
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#345685 - 07/17/09 10:04 AM
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Regardless, this Christian nation has always allowed any form of religion (or none at all) to be practiced...so long as you leave the rest of us to ours. Now the Muslims are trying to change that in every country they've "immigrated" to in sufficient numbers. I dispute this claim. What evidence do you present? (Note: assertions are not evidence.)
Of all the folks on this board, I think your head is buried deeper in the sand than any of them. Look to many of the countries in Europe where Muslims and their beliefs are given special treatment, and where Sharia Law is allowed to supercede the laws of the nation in some instances. It's all right in front of your nose, and you refuse to see it. They will have to burn your house down before you pull your head out of your denial, I'm afraid. That's what it's going to take for a lot of Americans, though...so you'll have a lot of company, I'm sure.
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#345686 - 07/17/09 10:07 AM
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I find this whole notion amusing. I thought it was the waves of Mexicans we were supposed to be afraid of, not the reproducing Muslims.
If these folks are so afraid Muslims are going to move in and out-populate the good solid Christian folk, then they better tear down that fence and start letting the Mexicans back in. Of course being brown may be worse than being Muslim, even if they are Christian. I don't know.
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#345687 - 07/17/09 12:19 PM
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I find this whole notion amusing. I thought it was the waves of Mexicans we were supposed to be afraid of, not the reproducing Muslims.
It's the illegal Mexicans/Latins I'd like to see stay out. Bring the legal ones on in...the more the merrier. Latin girls are hot! Mexicans will gang-bang with others gangs, but if you leave them alone they'll largely leave you alone. Muslims are another matter...they're interested in converting everyone else to Islam or killing them. Those will be your two choices...convert or die. Says so in the Koran (their "bible"). Gone will be the freedom of religion in countries that they hold a majority in...as many a Christian living in a Muslim country will attest to. Right now, it's those we call "radicals" that are doing the damage...but their religious leaders have been slowly turning up the gain over the years. The percentage of "radicals" within the Muslim community is on the rise in France, Belgium, Germany and other european countries where the younger folks are being proselytized by the Imams sent there for this specific purpose. Only a fool would believe it will not ultimately come here to the US.
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#345688 - 07/17/09 12:41 PM
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Well it seems you haven't stopped your stereotyping....
Then can I see the numbers of these people that are being forced to convert? And I don't want to be told "it's all over, find it yourself", you show me. Only then, I'll start to take you seriously. If it's "convert or die", then I would assume that NY would be in mass hysteria, given the amount of Muslim or Islamic/Middle East cab drivers...
It also says in Christian bibles, as many of have stated many times, plenty of ridiculous things that either aren't allowed today, or simply aren't practiced today.
>>To tell you the truth, right now, I'm more worried about water, power, the fact that most states' budgets, let alone the gov't's, are in the toilet, there are serial killers abound (see NC/SC/GA area), and things that are of much more current, and apparent, threat.
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#345690 - 07/17/09 02:01 PM
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I dispute this claim. What evidence do you present? (Note: assertions are not evidence.) assert assert assert blah blah blah
convert or die? thank god christians have never used that tactic
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#345693 - 07/17/09 02:24 PM
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Zing...
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#345696 - 07/17/09 05:59 PM
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I dispute this claim. What evidence do you present? (Note: assertions are not evidence.) assert assert assert blah blah blah convert or die? thank god christians have never used that tactic
Only the Catholic church, and hundreds of years ago at that. How about we stick to something more recent and relevant...say, something that's happened since you've been alive to see it for yourself?
The "convert or die" concept is nothing new to the Muslim religion either. Study your history, if you can. But to keep it recent, when was the last time you saw Christians running around torching Muslim churches? OK...now how about the reverse? Reality is a telling thing...for those who have the stomach to hear it without burying their heads in the sand.
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#345736 - 07/18/09 03:18 PM
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god damned liberal dominated press!
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#345755 - 07/18/09 11:07 PM
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Good finds, unfortunately, in his defense, he's going to argue, erm, "argue", that some of those are residential occurrences, and therefore should not be admissible in this discussion. Sorry, wanted to comment on them before, and I didn't have any time too, and it figures that I just got off a binge of Law and Order.
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#345767 - 07/19/09 08:26 AM
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The first is residential, and the second is vandalism rather than arson, but I thought they were morally equivalent, and worth noting because they are so extremely recent. The third is genuine burning of a mosque.
Of course there have also been similar acts against churches. It really means very little, since most Christians and most Muslims don't do such things. The majority should not be judged by the actions of a crazy minority.
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#345777 - 07/19/09 05:01 PM
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The majority should not be judged by the actions of a crazy minority. I believe I stated that earlier yet, strangely, thor ignored me
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#345791 - 07/20/09 10:01 AM
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Without going into each one, much of what you posted was politically/socially motivated...not religious. But I'm glad you posted what you did. It shows just how biased and unrealistic you are. You completely left out the Muslims and their part in it...which is on a much larger scale.
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#345802 - 07/20/09 10:49 AM
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You folks live in such a bubble you just don't understand that you world is coming to an end. No, the sky is not falling...but I sometimes would rather it did.
I think whats actually happening is that Christianity is losing its place as the dominant religion in the world and you're scared.
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#345808 - 07/20/09 11:51 AM
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I think whats actually happening is that Christianity is losing its place as the dominant religion in the world and you're scared.
True or not, that's not something I'm concerned with. Christians will certainly try to spread the word of God, but they largely don't cause death and destruction over it. The Muslims believe (and behave) differently...they will do more than simply "spread their word". They will eventually try and force it on everyone; violently, if necessary. That's you, me, and everyone esle who is not Muslim. Again, I will remind you of all this in another 40-50 years. It's gathering steam...even the liberal media can't hide it all.
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#345810 - 07/20/09 12:53 PM
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I made it through about half of that. Once it brought Muslims into it I facepalmed and stopped it. Onoes! The terrorists are invading!
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#345816 - 07/20/09 02:16 PM
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序尾段じゃねえよ! Yet another fine example of how racist, maybe even classicist (apparently, I base this on things you've said) you truly are. Sad that someone with such belief, and follows the bible so, can treat people like that. It's kind of ironic too, seeing as how blind you really are. Oh wait, no it's not... I just don't understand the way that mouse in your head works sometimes...
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#345819 - 07/20/09 04:22 PM
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I think whats actually happening is that Christianity is losing its place as the dominant religion in the world and you're scared.
True or not, that's not something I'm concerned with. Christians will certainly try to spread the word of God, but they largely don't cause death and destruction over it. The Muslims believe (and behave) differently...they will do more than simply "spread their word". They will eventually try and force it on everyone; violently, if necessary. That's you, me, and everyone esle who is not Muslim. Again, I will remind you of all this in another 40-50 years. It's gathering steam...even the liberal media can't hide it all.
OK, so in about 40-50 years, when we're both Muslims, we'll have a nice chat about how Mormons are taking over the world.
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#345823 - 07/20/09 06:44 PM
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OK, so in about 40-50 years, when we're both Muslims, we'll have a nice chat about how Mormons are taking over the world.
Nah...It'll be the Rosicrucians. Those guys got mad skillz!
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#345833 - 07/20/09 10:44 PM
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] Nah...It'll be the Rosicrucians. Those guys got mad skillz!
LMAO! you saucy monkey! Don't worry, the Masons keep the Rosicrucians in check. Absolutely nothing to worry about there, my friend.
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#345937 - 07/21/09 04:37 PM
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What the fuck imaginary world do you live in? "Christians will certainly try to spread the word of God, but they largely don't cause death and destruction over it." I thought you were a history buff? do not cause death over it, holy fucking christ. "The Muslims believe (and behave) differently...they will do more than simply "spread their word". They will eventually try and force it on everyone; violently, if necessary."
you even know any fucking muslims? you even udnerstand any of the muslims beliefs? they denounce the radicals, allah is the msulim word for god, not a new god, teh same fucking god the christians think exists. they believe in jesus, they think that he, much like mohammad is a profit (like that spelling? I know bobbo and mr U will) They do not advocate violence in any form, nor do they do fucking missionary work trying to recruit. a true muslim, fuck we should be so lucky if the christians acted the same way. I have a very good friend,f rom Jordan, a msulim, my kids call him unle Riyadh, his sister and mother are here visiting now for a month so far and 2 more months before they head home. his wife came from Jordan a year ago, they were at my sosn birthday on teh fourth of july, did fireworks with us, helped at the BBQ, brought presents, shit they send me stuff for presents for him and my wife from jordan all teh time, they know my mom, email her all the time to bullshit and talk, one of hsi brothers will be here next week for 2 weeks, another lives in virginia, another did hsi school here and went back home to make more omney, he is on his way to the states to carry out some experiment at a college university where he got his degree, as an honoured guest, I have spent numerous times with them, another of his brothers came here to hang out for 3 days while on leave from the UN army in fucking hondorous, he stayed at my house because my buddy had no room at his, slept in my house, was around my kids. I will take the muslims over the christians any fucking day. They care about how it effects them, if you are not one of them, they leave you alone, they let you believe all the shit you want to so long as you do not tell them what they have to do. Just so ya know, my buddy, he is in the fed gov, takes care of a military base near us, has a secret cleanance, did 10 years in the army, was in korea and then saudi then iraq, as a soldier. They are not anti american, they are a bit culture shocked when they wear the entire outfit and my wife sits in a pair of shorty shorts and a tank top having a smoke. aside from them thinking dogs are bad and should never be in the home or even owned, great people, unlike yourself you narrow minded toad humping bowel slurper 
You print this out and save it for 40 or 50 years from now, that would make me 88 and I sure as fuck do not intend to be around 50 years from now to remind you that your a paranoid sheep of the church and right wing asshole agenda.
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#345952 - 07/21/09 05:23 PM
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The Catholic church had a sordid past, but that's not all Christians and it happened a long time ago. I'm talking about here and now.
Concerning Islam, you seem to have skipped a few things over...or at least the site you trust to tell you the truth skipped over them for you. Either way, you need to do some more studying to speak intelligently on it.
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#345953 - 07/21/09 05:28 PM
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So do Catholics need to be wiped off the face of earth along with the Muslims?
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#345959 - 07/21/09 09:47 PM
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So do Catholics need to be wiped off the face of earth along with the Muslims?
Not at this time...though my opinion may change at some point. However, I should make clear that it's not the members themselves, but rather their leaders that started the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. They are the ones who may once again be "called on the carpet" at some point in the future.
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#345968 - 07/21/09 11:01 PM
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as you proceed to slam Catholics along with the Muslims, I can't help but hear this, though I were actually hearing your voice in my mind...
Brothers! Oh, brothers! We have all gathered here, to preserve our hallowed culture and heritage! We aim to pull evil up by the root, before it chokes out the flower of our culture and heritage! And our women, let's not forget those ladies, y'all. Looking to us for protection! From darkies, from Jews, from papists, and from all those smart-ass folks say we come descended from monkeys!
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#345978 - 07/22/09 09:12 AM
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Not at this time...though my opinion may change at some point. *hear an audience applauding* Good to see that you're flexible. On the matter of another Crusade or Inquisition, wouldn't the Pope (I would think), and the "UN" (Heh heh...united nations) not allow that? Seeing as there ARE indeed those international laws now? **Not being naive or seeing pie in the sky, etc., just asking.
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#345983 - 07/22/09 10:14 AM
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Brothers! Oh, brothers! We have all gathered here, to preserve our hallowed culture and heritage! We aim to pull evil up by the root, before it chokes out the flower of our culture and heritage! And our women, let's not forget those ladies, y'all. Looking to us for protection! From darkies, from Jews, from papists, and from all those smart-ass folks say we come descended from monkeys!
O, Death O, Death Won't you spare me over til another year Well what is this that I can't see With ice cold hands takin' hold of me Well I am death, none can excel I'll open the door to heaven or hell Whoa, death someone would pray Could you wait to call me another day The children prayed, the preacher preached Time and mercy is out of your reach I'll fix your feet til you cant walk I'll lock your jaw til you cant talk I'll close your eyes so you can't see This very air, come and go with me I'm death I come to take the soul Leave the body and leave it cold To draw up the flesh off of the frame Dirt and worm both have a claim O, Death O, Death Won't you spare me over til another year My mother came to my bed Placed a cold towel upon my head My head is warm my feet are cold Death is a-movin upon my soul Oh, death how you're treatin' me You've close my eyes so I can't see Well you're hurtin' my body You make me cold You run my life right outta my soul Oh death please consider my age Please don't take me at this stage My wealth is all at your command If you will move your icy hand Oh the young, the rich or poor Hunger like me you know No wealth, no ruin, no silver no gold Nothing satisfies me but your soul O, death O, death Wont you spare me over til another year Wont you spare me over til another year Wont you spare me over til another year
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#345984 - 07/22/09 10:21 AM
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What about the Church of England and Anglicanism do we need to rid ourselves of those people as well? The killed and tortured thousands who refused to give up Catholicism. Oh, oh, then there's the Jews the tortured and murdered your messiah shouldn't they be held to account for that?
Just so I know, which is the pure religion free of evil and prejudice?
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#345990 - 07/22/09 11:49 AM
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Site? so you can not read eh Thor, god of blunder? I have my information from true muslims, very close friends of mine. Being a Muslim is not being a radical or terrorist. Unless of course, your a republican. Even Muhammad Ali is a good Muslim, I do not see you crying for his head. Now, stuff your conversation up your ass. Your a brainwashed turd that needs to be flushed. Oh dear oh fuck oh my, the Muslims are ruining the world, those fucking terrorist, and the liberals too! got to stop thso fags from being married so that they have the same benefits I do! Go wretch up your propaganda on someone who is like minded and cares to hear it.
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#345992 - 07/22/09 11:57 AM
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...just means you'll go away kicking and screaming when they come for you. You'll learn....the hard way.
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#345995 - 07/22/09 12:18 PM
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I think the "they" that are coming for us are more likely to be wearing white hoods.
so, are you going to answer the question? What is the one an true religion, bereft of evil?
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#345997 - 07/22/09 12:23 PM
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The sad thing is that you and your kind never will learn, you always think your right, there can be no way but yours, what you say is true and everyone else on the planet is wrong. You stir hate and discontent where it was never intended. You still think bush and chaney did a good job, that they upheld the laws despite all the evidence that they are crooked bastard who lined the wallets they own with the blood of the nations youth. You will never see anything but what you want to see. The ones I fear, the ones i fight and rally against, those ones are your kind. the ones that know they are doing gods wills, fuck the laws and our ideals, its for the greater good and under gods command. Your kind, just like the radical muslim, are nothing but terrorists.
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#346060 - 07/23/09 11:58 AM
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At Thor,
Just so I know, which is the pure religion free of evil and prejudice?
Still wondering...
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#346062 - 07/23/09 12:03 PM
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I think the "they" that are coming for us are more likely to be wearing white hoods.
so, are you going to answer the question? What is the one an true religion, bereft of evil?
funny how he avoids the question.
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#346078 - 07/23/09 06:04 PM
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The Catholic church had a sordid past, but that's not all Christians and it happened a long time ago. I'm talking about here and now.
This is great, all we have to do is wait 50 years and then the Islamification of the world will be all history and then there will be nothing wrong with it!
The past is completely relevant because its how the religion was spread. Its what we're discussing now and its what people were discussing a few hundred years ago. Christianity was spread throughout the world by the sword, the beginning of Christianity was a bloodbath, so you can't say that your Christianity never did it.
But I have to say that we're getting a little off-topic, this isn't about Christianity's past atrocities, but what we have done here is eliminate your ridiculous argument that extremist Christians would never do what the extremist Muslims are doing. Its always a tiny percentage that do the most horrible things and they never represent the group at large.
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#346117 - 07/24/09 11:13 AM
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At Thor, Just so I know, which is the pure religion free of evil and prejudice? Still wondering...
None. It's a path, not a destination. The evil, in this case, is when greedy men decide to pervert the purpose of it and turn it to their own selfish desires...kind of like what would happen if you put a liberal at the head of the Catholic church. During medievil times, the Catholic church owned 1/3 of all the land in europe. God has no need for all that land, in my book. It's mens greed...not God that created the Crusades.
The Muslim faith, on the other hand, instructs them to kill or convert all others that are not Muslim. It's in their book. So the religion itself is evil, in this case. There are many Muslims that are not that "into it", and so things could be a lot worse than they are. But the number of strict adherants is growing daily.
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#346121 - 07/24/09 11:52 AM
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The Muslim faith, on the other hand, instructs them to kill or convert all others that are not Muslim.
I don't know that that is entirely true as I have never read the Koran (nor do I intend to), but I've read that the Koran speaks of peace. However, I have also heard that there are statements of which you speak which some take to heart literally. Something akin to the wacky snake handlers where there is a passage about taking hold of the snake.
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#346124 - 07/24/09 12:41 PM
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my Qur'an is in front of me, can you please direct me to the passage in question?
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#346131 - 07/24/09 01:37 PM
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thanks. I've only read the first article so far but it kind of helps explains how the seeds of thor's hatred are to be found in his bible.
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